Margaret Pratt Finlay has been one of the more elusive of my female ancestors.
Immigrating from Edinburgh, Scotland to Sydney in 1841, she married Henry Humphries (later Humphreys), a convict transported from Essex. They married on 9 December 1844 at St Anne's Church of England in Ryde, New South Wales. On her marriage certificate, Margaret's name is recorded as Margaret Pratt.
At the time, Ryde was still a rural area, and Henry and Margaret had an orchard in Watts Lane in Ryde and were respected early settlers to the district. They had 10 children, 6 girls and 4 boys, all living to adulthood.
Like most Australian death certificates, Margaret's death certificate provided helpful information:
- she died at Watts Lane in the Municipality of Marsfield on the 11 September 1896, at the age of 70 years. Her father was John Finlay, a stonemason, and mother was Jean Douglas. She was born in Edinburgh in Scotland and has been in NSW for 58 years. She was married in Ryde, to Henry Humphreys, at the age of 19. Finally, at the time of her death, she had 9 children living and 1 male deceased.
With all this information, it shouldn't have posed too difficult a problem to find Margaret's baptism in Scotland, but not so...
A marriage for John Finlay, stonemason and Jean Douglas (spinster) took place on 27 August 1832 at St Cuthbert's church in Edinburgh, which seemed to be the right one. However, if Margaret was either 16 at the time she emigrated to Australia, or 70 at the age of her death (hence born abt 1826), clearly her birth was well before the marriage of her supposed parents. We couldn't find a baptism for either Margaret Finlay, Margaret Pratt or Margaret Douglas that seemed to fit with the information we had.
Attempts to locate John and Jean Finlay in either the 1841 or 1851 Scottish census also hit a dead end.
Finally, last year, I fell upon an intriguing entry in Australia Trove. It was Margaret's funeral notice in the Sydney Morning Herald, and it mentioned that the funeral would leave the residence of her brother-in-law, Mr Vicars! This was new information indeed and lead to some quite unexpected new findings.
Slowly I pieced together the following information:
- Mr Vicars was in fact William Vickers, who is also a witness to Margaret's will.
- William Vickers had married Georgina Young Finlay in 1887 in Ryde. William was Georgina's third husband. She first married Thomas Barton in 1863 in Chippendale in New South Wales, and then Eli Pickersgill in 1867 in Sydney. (Strangely, Margaret also had a daughter Georgina who married 3 times as well)
- Next, I discovered that Georgina Young Finlay was born in Sydney in 1841. She died in 1914 in Croydon Park, New South Wales, the daughter of John and Jane (a common alternative to Jean).
- Finally I found the immigration record for John Finlay, age 30, mason, Jane age 28, Elizabeth age 3 and Robert age 1, arriving in Sydney on the 'John Barry' in 1837.
I still haven't found Margaret's baptism, but at the moment, I presume that Margaret is most likely to be the illegitimate daughter of Jean (Jane) Douglas, and that John Finlay is her step-father.
I still have lots of questions to find out about Margaret.
1. What is the significance of the Pratt name?
2. Who looked after Margaret in Scotland after her mother went to Australia?
3. When did Jane Finlay die? (I think she may have married Edward Russell in Sydney in 1855, but haven't been able to identify a death record for her yet).
Hi Gill. Did you ever make progress with this? I am a descendant of Margaret and currently researching my tree. All of Margaret and Henry Humphrey's children were born in Australia which means Margaret may not have been left behind in Scotland. I have seen someone elses tree that shows Jean being married to a Samuel Pratt first, then John Finlay then Edward Russell but I have not been able to confirm any of those except John Finlay. Margaret was born 1825 yet Jean didn't marry John until 1832 so either Jean did marry a Pratt first or else John and Jean did have the child out of wedlock... but having a child for 7 years out of wedlock in Scotland in those days is uncommon. I would be interested to hear if you have new information. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHi Gill. Did you ever make progress with this? I am a descendant of Margaret and currently researching my tree. All of Margaret and Henry Humphrey's children were born in Australia which means Margaret may not have been left behind in Scotland. I have seen someone elses tree that shows Jean being married to a Samuel Pratt first, then John Finlay then Edward Russell but I have not been able to confirm any of those except John Finlay. Margaret was born 1825 yet Jean didn't marry John until 1832 so either Jean did marry a Pratt first or else John and Jean did have the child out of wedlock... but having a child for 7 years out of wedlock in Scotland in those days is uncommon. I would be interested to hear if you have new information. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHi Kyle
DeleteThanks for commenting!
I (and another descendant of Margaret's) have made a bit more progress, but still some questions remaining.
In answer to your specific points:
1. Margaret came over to Australia from Scotland in 1841, married in Sydney in 1844, and had her children between 1845 and 1868. If you look closely at her immigration record on this blog - is has 'Saml and Jean Pratt boot closer (?)' on the second line. Its hard to read, but from the entries on previous pages, it would seem to refer to who she said her parents were.
2. I can confirm that Margaret's mother - Jean (Jane) - married Edward Russell in Redfern NSW, on 9 March 1855, after her husband John Finlay died on 8 Jan 1854 in Alexandria NSW. There is no evidence on the marriage certificate to identify that Jane Finlay is our one. but Jane Russell's death certificate confirms that she is the right person. Jane died on 18 August 1864 in Redfern NSW. The certificate says that she is from Scotland, had been in Australia about 23 years, had married firstly to John Finley (sic), before marrying Edward Russell and had 2 male and 3 female children all living. Her father is (given name not stated) Douglas.
3. Margaret's birth is still a mystery. Without having located a baptism record for her we are left guessing, but I still think that it is most likely that she was illegitimate, the daughter of Jean (Jane) Douglas and Samuel Pratt. There was a Samuel Pratt (shoemaker) in Edinburgh around that time, but he was much older than Jean and already married, so there is no evidence that he was Margaret's father. Perhaps he had a son Samuel Pratt jnr, who died before he and Jane could get married, but that's purely speculative, as there is no records to show a Samuel Pratt jnr even existed. The date of abt 1826 for Margaret's birth still seems to be reasonable.
4. In relation to Margaret's mother, Jean (Jane) Douglas - I am reasonably satisfied that she is the daughter of Robert Douglas (tanner) and Margaret Letheny (Lathennie / Lathenny). Jean was baptised in Forres, Morayshire in Scotland on 8 Mar 1807. Her parents had been married in Edinburgh and then moved to Morayshire for a period. Robert Douglas was buried in South Leith in Edinburgh on 31 Jan 1833. His wife Margaret was buried on 9 May 1840, also in South Leith. I wonder if Margaret Pratt Finlay lived with her grandmother after her mother emigrated to Australia in 1837.
Anyway, I hope that all makes sense. Please keep in touch if you have any other questions or have any other info to share.
Regards
Gill
Hello,
ReplyDeleteMy husband and I are photographing and transcribing the headstones in St Thomas' Cemetery, Enfield. Georgina Young and William Vickers are buried in Section G Grave 17. Your research on Georgina has been very helpful